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Defensive Medicine #2

Posted by WhiteCoat on October 28, 2007

Why do doctors to practice “defensive medicine”?

There are many facets to this question. Today is limited to lawsuits.

This is NOT intended to say that doctors don’t commit malpractice. Medical malpractice does occur. The intent of this argument is only to show some of the reasons why physicians practice “defensive medicine.”

Why are doctors afraid of lawsuits? There’s more to that answer than meets the eye. Payouts can be potentially huge, sure. According to the National Practitioner Databank, (see the 2005 annual report here) the average medical malpractice payout against a physician is $295,000 (see pp. 7-8). Most physicians carry insurance for between $500,000 and $1 million per claim. So why are we worried about malpractice payouts if we have adequate insurance? Look at “jackpot” judgments. Those that will bankrupt you. According to the Physicians Insurer’s Association of America closed claims data from 1985 to 2002, the highest payouts range from $1.3 million for pathology to $9.8 million for internal medicine. With $500,000 to $1 million coverage, physicians could easily end up owing millions of dollars out of their pocket in one of these jackpot jury awards.
Imagine working all your life to become educated so that you can help people, working 80 hours a week during your training, working evenings, weekends and holidays away from your family, taking decades to pay off your student loans, finally putting some money in the bank, and then losing your entire life savings because a crack-addicted pregnant patient you’ve never seen before decides that at 30 weeks she’s going to have her first prenatal visit and delivers a brain-damaged baby into your lap. Then John Edwards and company make impassioned pleas to a jury that the baby inside the womb was crying “I love you mommy, I just want to live to see your face. Why did this doctor do this to me, mommy?”
You work all your life to make a dream for you and your family and the rug gets yanked out from under you because someone else doesn’t do what they’re supposed to do and blames you for a bad outcome. There’s reason #1.

The high payouts are only part of the problem. The National Practitioner Databank is another part of the system that encourages perverse actions. If a payment is made on behalf of a physician on a malpractice case, the physician’s name is reported to the NPDB. Who cares? Well hospitals and insurance companies are required to query the NPDB when determining whether to credential or insure a physician. If the doctor’s name shows up more than once or twice on this list, the doctor may not be able to get hospital privileges or insurance coverage. I know one physician who was refused hospital privileges because of two hits on the NPDB. Try practicing medicine without hospital privileges or insurance coverage.
So physicians have an incentive to do whatever they can to stay out of the NPDB. If ordering another test lessens the chance of starting down the road to a malpractice trial, many physicians are going to order the test. In addition, when a physician is sued for malpractice, even if there is a likelihood that the physician did something wrong, the physician has the incentive to defend the case rather than to settle the case in order to avoid a NPDB report.

Here’s the most important reason physicians practice defensive medicine to avoid lawsuits: medical malpractice judgments are arbitrary. Physicians have been sued for giving a treatment and for failing to give the exact same treatment. For example, the end of this article cites legal cases in which some physicians were sued for giving tPA in strokes and others were sued for failing to give tPA in strokes. The previous article cites physicians who have been sued for failing to obtain informed consent, while this article describes a physician who was sued for obtaining informed consent.

There is no set of rules that physicians can follow stating “this is the right thing to do.” Maine created a law involving practice guidelines that were presumptive evidence of proper care back in 1994 as a pilot program, but later the law was repealed. Strictly adhering to clinical practice guidelines has its pros and cons.

The rules as they stand right now are “if you have a bad outcome, no matter how you act, you can potentially be sued for it.”

So how do physicians practice to avoid lawsuits? They do what they can to avoid the bad outcome. If there is a 0.001% chance of a bad outcome in which you could be sued and lose your life savings and you could avoid that bad outcome by ordering a $10,000 test, what choice do you make? Especially when someone else is responsible for paying for the test, many physicians order the test. After a while, so many physicians get accustomed to just ordering the test that ordering the test becomes the “standard of care.” Once that occurs, if a physician doesn’t order the test and there is a bad outcome, experts testify that the physician was negligent.

19 Responses to “Defensive Medicine #2”

  1. Steve Says:

    So if the baby is in the womb crying out to John Edwards; and he can feel it, hear it…then should the mother be allowed to abort the protoplasm in the first trimester? Hasn’t he just established the protoplasm is capable of conscious thought…in the womb…?

    Steve

  2. boaugyg Says:

    This is a good blog to find, I just started a site called medgab.com. Basically about how the medical field isn’t 100%. I had a stay recently at a local hospital, and was very over charged, and they even missed two signifigant injuries that now may need surgery. So basically, if they (Doctors) don’t want malpractice suits against them, they should do things right.
    Glenn

  3. pbageant Says:

    I am very sympathetic to each of your concerns. But lets not forget that some doctors ARE negligent, and some of them screw up their patient’s lives. Forever.

    I submit that the percentage of patients whose family lives are destroyed by medical bill is greater than the percentage of physicians whose family lives are destroyed by malpractice suits. Who is really getting the short end of the health care stick?

  4. Elissa Hock Says:

    I am so saddened by the state of modern medicine. My very favorite doctor left her practice because it was no longer profitable to stay. Her malpractice premiums had gone up so much that she had to continue to add duties at local nursing homes to pay the premiums. She hadn’t even had a claim against her. She told me all this at my last appointment. She cried when she told me. I miss her very much. I trusted her and felt that she really knew who I was and what I was about. She is currently serving as the medical director of a state run mental health institution. I wish her well..but wish that I didn’t have to try to find someone to replace her.

  5. Matt Says:

    “Look at “jackpot” judgments. Those that will bankrupt you.”

    Here’s the question though - how many doctors have actually been forced to file bankruptcy as a result of a judgment? And then, how many have been forced to file as a result of an incorrect judgment? If you screw up and someone’s future care as a result costs millions, why should you be insulated from that cost?

    “I know one physician who was refused hospital privileges because of two hits on the NPDB. Try practicing medicine without hospital privileges or insurance coverage.”

    And yet there are physicians with multiple judgments still practicing.

    “There is no set of rules that physicians can follow stating “this is the right thing to do.” I believe Massachusetts created practice guidelines that were presumptive evidence of proper care 5-10 years ago as a pilot program, but am not sure the outcome.”

    So promulgate them. Nothing stops physicians from setting standards. However, as soon as you try to do that, physicians all object saying each patient is different. Which is true, but then that renders false your claim that two cases where everything was done exactly the same have different results. Because if the patients are different, then they clearly are not exactly the same. But at the end of the day, PHYSICIANS set the standard of care. So set them.

    “lawsuits? They do what they can to avoid the bad outcome. If there is a 0.001% chance of a bad outcome in which you could be sued and lose your life savings and you could avoid that bad outcome by ordering a $10,000 test, what choice do you make?”

    There’s probably a .001% chance that if you always drove the speed limit you’d be less likely to get in a catastrophic accident resulting in millions in damages. So do you speed?

    Really, the problem with all the talk about “defensive medicine” is that physicians can’t even agree what it is in any particular situation. So not only can you not agree on a standard of care, you can’t even agree what defensive medicine is in any particular circumstance, which makes the whole topic kind of silly. And, if I’m the patient, and you explain the test to me and the chances of it being useful, and I still want it, how is that “defensive medicine”? It’s certainly not something that should be used to lobby for more physician protections.

  6. free egold man Says:

    I think they shouldn’t have to pay for insurance to be ’safe’ from lawsuits. I think they shouldn’t have to pay at all, but I also think the lawsuits shouldn’t be able to get ungodly amounts of money. It is still risky business and the patient needs to bear some of that risk.

  7. pbageant Says:

    Woah. The patient bears lots and LOTS of risk. That’s the whole point — the patient risks harm when undergoing a medical procedure, and bears the cost (pain/suffering/loss of income potential/etc.) when things go wrong. It’s only when things go wrong because of a physician’s poor conduct that a meritorious tort claim arises. WhiteCoat’s observation was that sometimes doctors are held liable when their conduct has not been poor, which is unfair to physicians (and their insurance companies). WhiteCoat may or may not be correct. But his (her?) observation is not the same as saying that the physician (or their insurance provider) bears all the risk, and the patient bears none.

  8. Matt Says:

    Whatever you think of defensive medicine, what’s the point of having a discussion about it?

  9. WhiteCoat Says:

    This post has morphed considerably in a very short time.
    The issue was why doctors practice defensive medicine. Discussion is to show people why it happens so maybe somewhere somehow people will get at the root causes so that it doesn’t continue.
    Now we’re talking about whether doctors ever commit malpractice. I’m on your side with this one, folks. It happens a lot. I’m going to start a new post for these discussions if you want to continue.

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  11. Matt Says:

    Well, I think the reason it evolved (or devolved) is because the only reason we talk about defensive medicine is in the context of malpractice/tort reform or pushing single payer.

    Other than that, who cares? And even with those issues, who cares? I mean, if even physicians can’t agree on what constitutes defensive medicine in any particular situation, and even if they do the patient is still willing to pay for it how can we determine “solutions” for the alleged problem?

  12. Shane Says:

    “Physicians have lost malpractice cases for giving a treatment and for failing to give the exact same treatment (look at tPA in strokes as one example - will add cites later). Physicians have been sued for getting informed consent and failing to get informed consent.”

    Can you re-word these examples. It’s a bit difficult to reason the points you are trying to address.

    Is it, Doctors get sued if they don’t repeat the same treatment for different patient (which is what I read it as)? or
    Is it, or recommending treatment and not following up on it?

    Same goes for informed consent.

  13. hashmd Says:

    Shane, I believe the point is as follows:

    The ER can give tPA (a clot buster if you aren’t into the MD lingo) for an acute stroke. It must be given within 3 hours of the onset of the stroke. Now, how do we get the history of the onset time? The doctor isn’t present when it started. We have to depend on the patient or their family to tell us. As many strokes start early in the morning while people are asleep, how do we get the precise time of onset?

    We can’t in many cases.

    Do we take the family’s time of onset?—”He (or she) woke up at 5 AM with this!

    OK…If I, the ER doc, give the clot buster and they have a bleed into their brain, that is a listed potential danger of giving that med. We discuss this potential disasterous danger as part of the informed consent. We still get sued for this disaster occuring. Doesn’t mean the patient will win, doesn’t mean the doctor was wrong, just means the lawyers get paid FOR YEARS to argue for and against this case.

    One of the first questions that will be brought up is—”Doctor, how did you know the precise time the stroke occurred? The patient was asleep at the time. Couldn’t he/she have had the stroke outside the 3 hour window you are supposed to give this dangerous medication? You should have/could have prevented this disaster by properly following the FDA guidelines.

    If the doctor DIDN’T give the tPA, the same trial lawyer at a different trial in front of a different jury could put the doctor on the stand and ask “Doctor, a stroke is a life-threatening and life-impairing condition. Why didn’t you give this medication? My client is now devastated for life by a preventable condition.”

    This is what I believe White Coat is saying…you can be damned if you do it and damned if you don’t. Should White Coat say “I’m sorry” when either situation occurred? Saying so may actually imply liability when there may or may not be liability.

    In either case, the patient is free to say White Coat injured him or her even though the real facts are not clear.

  14. wils reed Says:

    I think we need tort reform. I think that while doctors do make mistakes, that they are over burdened. I think that lawyers need to be restrained as well. When I had my son, my doctor (who was an experienced man) made a decision to try “one more time” to get my son out before doing an emergency c-section. He was able to get my son out. My son had some developmental issues, due to lack of oxygen while being born. I was told I could (and should) sue. I chose not to. Why? Because to this day, I know that doctor did what his experience told him was the best option. I am only one out of a population of possible sue-happy idiots out there.

    I think that this man is a good doctor, he obviously cared a lot about his patients.

    I feel so bad for new doctors because of this insane “malpractice” theology in this country. Yes, it is a religion for some.
    On the other hand, some doctors do make huge mistakes. I think that pharmacies need to be stricter in the people they hire because it seems to me that there are a lot of well, non-smart individuals handling drugs these days.

    I am not a doctor, nor a pharmacist but I know enough to check what the pills look like and read labels and learn about side effects and possible drug interactions.

    Most people don’t. To wit: the non-smart people that will take a cold med (that contains acetaminophen) and then take acetaminophen itself. Most people won’t read the label. Should something wrong happen due to the person’s inability to actually read you get lawyers that latch onto that like leeches.

    I think to help our country to stay on top of its medical needs and desires that we need to (sorely) aggressively work toward tort reform.

    We stand to lose so much as a nation if we don’t.

    Wils

  15. Matt Says:

    “I was told I could (and should) sue. I chose not to. Why? Because to this day, I know that doctor did what his experience told him was the best option. I am only one out of a population of possible sue-happy idiots out there. ”

    Actually you’re one of many. The number of negligence claims filed by individuals has declined over the last decade. The increase in lawsuits is primarily businesses suing businesses. That’s great for you that you can afford your son’s care, but many of those “sue-happy idiots” don’t have that luxury, and the physicians insurer won’t pay even when they should.

    “I think that this man is a good doctor, he obviously cared a lot about his patients.”

    And? Should that mean he doesn’t have to pay for his mistakes?

    “We stand to lose so much as a nation if we don’t.”

    Such as? Insurer profitability?

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  17. Shane Says:

    Thanks Hashmd. The update article post and your explanation helped. For some reason, I glazed past the statement and didn’t immediately identiy the “damn if you do, and damn if you don’t” point of the sentence when I first read the post.

  18. Aesculapius Says:

    “Discourage litigation. Persuade your neighbors to compromise whenever you can. Point out to them how the nominal winner is often a real loser — in fees, expenses, and waste of time. As a peacemaker the lawyer has a superior opportunity of being a good man. There will still be business enough.”

    Abraham Lincoln
    Notes For A Law Lecture
    July 1850

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