Potty Brain
Posted by WhiteCoat on February 26, 2008
We got some strange looks from people walking by one of the rooms in the ED yesterday. In the room was a security guard sitting in a chair watching a 9 year old child … who was in 4 point restraints tied to a bed. No typo. The kid was nine years old.
He was brought by ambulance after the school called his parents. He was threatening to kill his classmates with the sharp end of a soup spoon and asked everyone in the class “are there any volunteers?” That was enough to get him a ride to the ED.
Why the restraints?
He tried to run out of the ED when he arrived and the paramedic had to grab him. They put him in the psych room and he began throwing the chair at the wall. They took the chair out of the room, then he tried to tip over the bed. They took the bed out of the room. Then he started screaming obscenities and kicking the wall. He flipped people off when they watched him through the window.
I walked out of another patient’s room, heard the screaming, and already knew I had had enough.
“You need to stop yelling and put that gown on NOW,” I told him.
“No,” he said defiantly. Then he stuck his tongue out at me.
“There is a pair of scissors in my desk drawer. If you aren’t undressed and in the gown by the time I get back here with them, I’m cutting your clothes off.”
“F*ck you, you gay f*cking a**hole.”
Inside I was thinking “Whoa.” On the outside I kept the poker face.
I walked to the drawer, got the trauma shears, and came back in the room. The kid screams “Fine! I’ll take my clothes off, but you’re not going to be in the room when I do it.”
I left and a short time later, the security guard came out with his clothing.
He started screaming and pounding the walls again.
I went back into the room. “Now you need to sit on the bed and be quiet.”
He refused. I walked toward him to lift him up and put him on the bed. He punched me the arm twice. The security guard went to grab him and he punched the security guard in the chest.
That earned him two matching sets of velcro bracelets.
It took three of us, but we got him restrained.
Oh, I should probably mention that first we asked him nicely to sit on the bed pretty please with sugar on top, then we asked him if he’d rather read Teen Beat magazine or play some pinochle instead of being restrained, then we frowned at him, shook our fingers, and sternly asked him to stop being so irascible because that’s what CMS requires us to do. When these “less restrictive” alternatives failed, then we restrained him.
While we were applying the restraints, this kid’s actions reminded me of a scene from The Exorcist. About the only thing missing was his head spinning around in circles. He had the Seven Dirty Words out in about the first 30 seconds. The stuff that came out of this kid’s mouth would have made CrankyProf blush. The most memorable moment in this special encounter was when he looked me straight in the eyes and sneered “Go f*ck your mother and then go f*ck some other pig while you’re at it.” I laughed at him because that’s all I could do. I just kept telling myself that this kid was nine years old.
He actually calmed down with a little Ativan and was able to be transferred to the children’s psych hospital without restraints.
Later in the day a 13 year old sexually active girl came in with “severe” abdominal pain and clean urine. I told her that I would need to do a pelvic exam on her and went to get the nurse. She stormed out of the ED saying “Ain’t no one looking at my sh*t — especially you.”
When my kids swear or say anything derogatory about anyone, we wash their mouths out with soap. After a while the soap stopped bothering them. We changed to Tabasco sauce. Potty mouth syndrome in the WhiteCoat household has decreased substantially.
Some kids think it’s business as usual spewing toxic waste out of their mouths and don’t bat an eye about it. People around them seem to accept it as an “exacerbation” of their ADHD. This type of stuff didn’t happen 20 years ago. It isn’t potty mouth any more, it’s “potty brain.”
What is going on in this world?


February 26, 2008 at 10:55 pm
My brother and I consider spicy food to be a challenge — who can eat the most of the hottest — we would have had a blast with Tabasco.
Luckily the WhiteCoat kids haven’t adapted to hot spices yet. The few times we have had to use hot sauce on them, they stand at the bathroom sink splashing cold water in their mouths for 10-15 minutes.
My parents made us write. And write. And write. And write.
Mom could tell if we did the words in columns and would make us start all over.
As we got older, they started adding essays to the mix. If we really did a good job pissing them off, we got essays AND sentences.
There was also a rate schedule of sorts for completion time — no playing outside with the neighbors til it was done. If we just sulked inside and didn’t get it done by X-time, no TV privileges; Y-time, no more (equivalent of an i-pod); etc…
Obviously your patient was beyond that, but it worked pretty well at our house. Little Brother hated it so much that he swears he won’t ever make his kids do that (After years of babysitting, I’ve sworn against having kids.)
Like the essay idea, by the way. Have to add it to our repertoire. Thanks!
February 27, 2008 at 2:04 am
Remember, WhiteCoat, it’s easier to blame this stuff on some sort of disease or other outside force rather than accept the fact that you suck at disciplining your kids.
I’ve been using “the look” coupled with discussions/debriefings of right and wrong and this seems to work really well for my 8-year-old. My son’s school also teaches politeness/virtues specifically. He calls his teachers “sir” and “madam” and is instructed to call me “ma’am” as in “yes, ma’am”. Writing assignments include things like “write a paragraph on how you exhibited prudence this week.” It’s very awesome; he is sort of forced to think about morals and right and wrong.
I’ll bet anything the 9-year-old listens to daddy yell at and beat up mommy.
February 27, 2008 at 2:32 am
Sad. That kid’s probably prison fodder waiting to get old enough. His home life must not be anything to write home about, unless it’s Stephen King.
And I’m sorry for you, having to deal with a kid who should be at recess teasing girls (though you probably will be medicated against your will if you did it) instead of being over the top out of control.
February 27, 2008 at 3:09 am
How sad and alarming. if he doesn’t have some kind of serious intervention…emotional or medical or both…i hate to think of his teen years.
Something must have been seriously wrong. Yes? A “normal” child is not going to act out like that…are they?
That is so extreme that my first thought was that something was pathologically wrong. If it is is home life….DYFS???
We never had anything ever like that. Both boys were so easy and honest to God have never once sworn in front of me. What they said under their breath who knows. They are 27 and 19 now. I on the other hand let the “F” word fly 3 separate times in front of them. I am not proud of that but suffice it to know that they were extreme circumstances. One of them was when I backed into a pole when leaving the motel while on vacation. It was a knee jerk reaction.
Nurse K that sounds like a wonderful program! You must be so proud of him.
Both boys just had real easy going temperaments. I used to read them books on manners and have discussions where I got them thinking and interacting with questions. taught them about God and our values from a Judeo-Christian perspective and as a human being. made sure they knew that God loved them and that we and the whole family loved them. I was affectionate with hugs and kisses and hardly a day went by that I haven’t told them i loved them. I just said it to my 19 year old today when he was on his way out.
Also…I tried not to react in anger and punish them but to step back, have them go sit on their bed to think about what they did. then I would come in and discuss it and again get them to interact, ask them what they thought I should do. We didn’t always agree.
They knew there would have to be consequences. i always accepted their apologies and let them know I loved them and would follow up with a hug but they would still have to have a consequence. Sometimes just a talk was good enough. You can tell when your child is sincere and there subsequent behavior shows you too.
Did I ever loose my cool. Absolutely but it was rare. and when I made a mistake and was unfair with them I called them aside, said I was sorry and would ask them if they would forgive me and say that adults make mistakes too and maybe go into why I did…not always though. they always forgave me and we would hug. In our family, doing these things built a good foundation of respect between us.
So then by the teen years we were still able to discuss things. Of course they would get mad at me for saying no sometimes and really balk about it and then I would say “The only thing I am guilty of is loving you.” They knew it and usually stopped pushing me at that point. the other thing is that it got so that one of them would say “I K-N-O-W-W-W Mom…the only thing your guilty of is loving me.”
WhiteCoat or anyone…why do you think this stuff happens like this now? it is disturbing. Schools used to be a safe place to send your kids. Kids were definitely more respectful. I am anything but a prude but I was taught a lady doesn’t swear and that it was in poor taste for men to swear in front of women etc. It just seems so trashy but now it is accepted like the norm. I can’t believe how often girls would come into the ER because they’ve been in fights (we’re in the country) and the swearing.
My pulling my hair out time began when older son at 16 going on 17 got an internet girlfriend from Ohio that I didn’t know about until about 4 mos into it. That is a story in itself. They are married today. THAT was a STRESSFUL time!
This is long-delete if you wish.
February 27, 2008 at 6:50 am
My father has cursed in my presence exactly twice. The first time I was sixteen, and shocked. The second time I was thirty-two, and amused. And though I went through a potty mouth streak when I first left home, I quit after a couple of years when the novelty had worn off.
I wonder if a parent’s example isn’t the single biggest influence over most of the “adult” behaviors children emulate.
What must this kids examples be?
February 27, 2008 at 6:59 am
You know, I may use “fuck” as a comma splice on my blog (and occasionally around other adults), but I think I’ve only slipped around my kids twice. If my nine year old had a mouth like that, he’d be eating a bar of Lever 2000 before he wrote any sentences or essays.
February 27, 2008 at 8:37 am
As a former mental health case manager, these stories make me so sad. When a child is this angry, it goes beyond simple bad parenting. Though, of course, positive adult role models do help. Hopefully treatment can help him be a functional member of society. I wonder how many other outbursts he’s had and how many community supports are currently in place? It sounds like he’s a half step away from a residential program.
If there is funding available for it …
February 27, 2008 at 8:47 am
The only reason a nine year old knows that amount of “colorful” language is because either a) his parents or guardians use and tolerate that language or b) he is exposed to a lot of media (music videos, movies, songs, etc.) that uses that language. Most other nine year olds don’t have that extensive a repertoire.
February 27, 2008 at 11:06 am
I still remember a 2 yo. girl we had as a patient who had been backed into by a car and had a fx. femur. She was brought into the ER where approx. 10 concerned adult strangers (nurses and doctors) crowded into her room to assess her. She sat straight up on the gurney, looked around and screamed “M**erf***ers!” as loud as she could. She was just hurt and scared and used the strongest word she knew.
February 27, 2008 at 11:46 am
Where I work the mental health room is adults only. I don’t know what we’d do with this child. And where do you think he learned to talk like that? Home or school?
I’ve been reading a lot of news accounts about children at schools who are encountering adult-like police responses to their behavior (handcuffs and paddy wagons). Each story is full of outrage that anybody could do that to a kid, but what else can be done when reason fails?
Hey and the states and feds are cutting funding for psych care, too. And we wonder why no one feels safe in schools or on the streets anymore …
February 27, 2008 at 12:23 pm
I always hated being on the psych wards where they mixed adolescents and children. The kids were so depressing. I was thirteen when I had my first IP stay and that was scary enough — but at five? six? Jesus. And for the most part, there really did seem to be something fundamentally wrong with the kids I encountered. The rage in a lot of them was just unbelievable. Abuse was pretty common. Although the future serial killer-types - y’know, the ones who had set fire to the house or killed the family pet - always seemed to have pretty normal families…
February 27, 2008 at 1:10 pm
“This type of stuff didn’t happen 20 years ago.”
In your experience.
Agreed. Even when I was in high school no one spoke like this. We were scared to death about what would happen to us if we spoke to an adult in this manner.
Was I just living in a bubble? Did anyone else out there see behavior like this 20 years ago?
February 27, 2008 at 2:18 pm
Nurse K writes that daddy probably beats up mommy. Nope. My guess is that Mommy and her multiple boyfriends use the language regularly and beat up the kid. Also, my oldest is 26 and I can tell you with certainty that it did happen twenty years ago, because I saw it in my son’s school more than once. I’d love to blame it on the gene pool, but the sad truth is that if you have money you can hide these things better.
February 27, 2008 at 4:16 pm
I took a leaf out of my kids’ daycare providers. When any of the young children experimented with foul language, as many of them do for the shock value, the teacher calmly took the child by the hand, walked them into the bathroom and told them they could use the “potty language” as much as they wanted in the bathroom, but that it was not appropriate for the classroom (I did the same thing at home). Then the adult walked away. After a few repetitions, the child stopped using the language; it wasn’t any fun to use when no one reacted.
I’m not above using foul language under stress, and neither are my kids. But no one uses it routinely.
I like this approach as well. Thanks for sharing!
February 27, 2008 at 4:26 pm
Hmmm… I don’t understand why he was taken to the ER instead of the police station. ADHD has become an excuse for bad behavior. An otherwise normal nine year old with ADHD, does not act this way. Morevover, he should not know half of those words. Obviously, his home life must be very rocky.
His future is going to be the same.
February 27, 2008 at 5:56 pm
Nurse K writes that daddy probably beats up mommy. Nope. My guess is that Mommy and her multiple boyfriends use the language regularly and beat up the kid.
I picture a kid powerless to stop something terrible going on in his household so he acts out.
February 27, 2008 at 6:35 pm
That child has a really bad home life. If he had a caring family who gave a flying fig about him, even if he did have adhd, he wouldn’t be that out of control. I have seen kids who were pulled out of homes where that kind of behaviour was tolerated and put into homes where they were expected to act respectfully. It takes them a while, and they don’t always get it completely, but they do calm down and express themselves better.
Often the problem is that the kid has never seen anyone communicate in anything other than an abusive and profanity laced manner. Sad.
February 27, 2008 at 6:40 pm
My little sister used to cuss like a sailor, thanks to the parentals. I used to make her take a cold bath when she did it.
I know, lame. It worked for us though.
I’ll use soap on my kids.
February 27, 2008 at 7:21 pm
Wow the language is scary, but the violence is even more disturbing. I think this goes beyond being a naughty kid. He was out of control. Angry, homicidal at such a young age. So young! Wow, he has the beginnings of a mental illness, exacerbated by trauma. Wow, I am sorry, but this boy needs to be institutionalized for now. I worked in a rehab house with young disturbed kids. It pisses me off when people think living in the community is the best thing. (I’ve volunteered at the state hospital, intern at a partial hospital… so I’ve seen a lot of sides).
He had recently been institutionalized for a three week stint. Was reportedly doing well when he left. There are other historical points about this kid that I don’t think it is proper to divulge.
I’ll just leave it that I sometimes wonder about courts that blindly assume it is in the child’s best interests to be living with his/her biological parents.
February 27, 2008 at 7:21 pm
Granted, there seems to be some pretty shoddy parenting going on here, but music, TV and movies don’t help much either. When I can actually understand the lyrics of rap and hip/hop music I am literally stunned. This little boy is only 9, but if he listens to that kind of music and the only attention he can get is negative, the end result is not much a reach.
February 28, 2008 at 12:34 pm
I’m a senior IT guy (actually, a CIO, now) who used to work directly for/with cops/fire/EMT staff. Some of the language I heard while on ride-alongs is amazing - there was one woman, extremely intoxicated, who kept up a stream of profanity for a good solid four minutes without a break, or (it seemed) a breath.
I strongly suspect that there’s a correlation between the use of bad language and income. I know that if a tech candidate lets slip such language during an interview - and they do, surprisingly often - they don’t get the job, unless I already know that they are *that* good….and then, they’re hired with written provisions dealing with their language. If they object, then they’re not worth the effort.
February 29, 2008 at 2:13 am
If the kids adapt to hot sauce, there’s always wasabi.
February 29, 2008 at 11:20 am
You know, my parents never used foul language in our household. They still don’t. It just wasn’t anything they were going to tolerate. When I was about 10, I called my younger brother a “sissy-butt”. Like all bratty brothers, he told Mom on me. Guess what? She took me into the bathroom, lathered up a washrag with soap and stuffed it inside my mouth! I never said “that word” again!
Of course, this was nearly 40 yrs ago…. I know things have changed. What happened to good old fashioned discipline? Are we too afraid of hurting one’s feelings by teaching right from wrong?
February 29, 2008 at 1:00 pm
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February 29, 2008 at 2:26 pm
Specifically, it’s called lack of executive skills. There has been extensive work done on this. And it shows that most, if not all, of these children will fail at school and other important tasks because they never learned to control themselves.
March 3, 2008 at 7:28 am
Doc,
My parent’s whip me (not kidding).
Father believed in discipline - his motto in life being “if a man has discipline, everything else follows”. He wasn’t afraid of the rod and he used it when he felt it was needed (usually after all other means have failed).
My brother and I were very headstrong, stubborn kids. Sometimes I look back at my life and joke that ‘my parents took pity on me and allowed me to survive puberty’.
Today, I look around me and see some kids my age and shudder at their aimless, driftwood existence. That’s the real shame - young potential frittered away because of a lack of discipline early on.
cheers,
Spook
March 7, 2008 at 5:50 pm
I dont know whats going on in this world but you should see some of the pregnant 13 years olds we have stroll into our L&D (you probably *have* seen them). They have made me, a 35 year woman who has seen a lot in this life, blush.
Sad, isnt it?
March 13, 2008 at 9:42 am
Lead poisoning also destroys “executive function” and is associated with irrational rages.
I would guess that the 13-year old girl had been sexually abused to some degree, and feared being blamed for it–possibly b/c this had already happened.