WhiteCoat Rants

Random thoughts about US Healthcare

  • Archives

  • Spam Blocked

  • Meta

  • ----------

    CHARITY OF THE MONTH
    AnySoldier.com
    Don't forget our troops!

    Donate $50 or more to the charity of the month and get a text ad in this sidebar for 30 days.

A Comparison of Antidepressants and Cold Medications

Posted by WhiteCoat on February 27, 2008

Remember the firestorm about taking children’s cold medications off the market that occurred several months ago? Pediatricians were up in arms. It was a public health crisis. Newspapers reported about all the children that were dying. Here’s one of my posts about the topic.

Just to update everyone, here’s a quote from a “Public Health Advisory” the FDA put out on January 17, 2008 about “Nonprescription Cough and Cold Medicine Use in Children.”

“FDA is recommending that these drugs not be used to treat infants and children under 2 years of age because serious and potentially life-threatening side effects can occur.” (emphasis mine).

“FDA’s recommendation is based on both the review of the information we received about serious side effects in children and the discussion and recommendations made at the October 18–19, 2007, public advisory committee meeting at which this issue was discussed. FDA strongly supports the actions taken by many pharmaceutical manufacturers to voluntarily withdraw cough and cold medicines that were being sold for use in this age group.”

The PAC meeting that the FDA referenced in its advisory discussed how “Overall, if you look at the data that’s available, you would come to the conclusion that these drugs are no more effective than placebo in the relief of cold and cough symptoms in children.” (Part 1 of transcript at page 41). Of course, this FDA panel on the effects of cough medications on CHILDREN was chaired by the chief of GERIATRICS at Yale, but that’s beside the point.

To summarize, the FDA’s recommendation to avoid use of nonprescription cough and cold medications in children was made (1) because those medications were deemed no more effective than placebo, and (2) because “serious and potentially life-threatening side effects can occur” with their use.

Who cares about children’s cold meds, though. That’s old news. Let’s talk about antidepressants.

There’s a new study out on the effectiveness of antidepressants. See articles in Fox News, the Washington Post, Time Magazine, The Guardian (UK), The Scotsman (Scotland). The study results?

There was “virtually no difference” between effects of drug and placebo at “moderate levels of initial depression” and there was a “relatively small difference” between the effects of drug and placebo for patients with very severe depression.” The only time that the drugs were statistically better than placebos was when patients were “at the upper end of the very severely depressed category.”

In summary, the study stated that “These findings suggest that, compared with placebo, the new-generation antidepressants do not produce clinically significant improvements in depression in patients who initially have moderate or even very severe depression.”

Prozac, Effexor, Serzone, and Paxil are “no more effective than placebo.” Hmmmm. Where have I seen that statement used before?

This article in ABC.net from Australia states that the study included data not previously released by drug companies that the researchers had to obtain under the Freedom of Information Act.

Well … who cares if antidepressants don’t work better than a sugar pill. The side effects probably aren’t as bad as those dangerous children’s cough medications.

Here is the prescribing information for Prozac, Effexor, Serzone, and Paxil. Suicide risk in antidepressants vs. tachycardia in cough meds. Close call. I’ll have to think about that one.

Eli Lilly reportedly admitted in internal documents from 1978 that there were “a fairly large number of reports of adverse reactions.” There is a fascinating discussion of the side effects of common antidepressants at this link. See also other articles about how Lilly faces another Prozac lawsuit after husband hangs himself, or the CNN article about how Paxil causes risks of suicide.

Neither class of medication works better than placebo. Both medications cause serious side effects.

Generic children’s cough medicine is a public health threat. Prescription antidepressants aren’t.

I can think of about 2.7 billion … no, 824 million … no, 891 million reasons why the FDA won’t put out a public health advisory about antidepressants … at least until the patents expire.

But that probably won’t be for another 13 years or so, right?

15 Responses to “A Comparison of Antidepressants and Cold Medications”

  1. exi Says:

    A fine point conveyed wonderfully - made my late solo lunch much more interesting!

  2. Luthe Says:

    My questions on the study focus more on the lack of peer review as of yet and the fact that most people need to try a variety of antidepressants before they find one that works for them. I went through a whole laundry list before I hit on my Prozac-Lamictal cocktail. It could be the placebo effect at work, but I’ve never known the placebo effect to include the two week lag time between not taking my meds and my sanity slipping. For that matter, I don’t care if I’m getting a placebo effect or not; I still feel far better than I did before I started on antidepressants.

  3. Nurse K Says:

    So, what, ECTs or nothing?

    Mr. Crayzee (my ex-husband) when he was still my husband started on Zoloft, and two weeks later became very suicidal and very homicidal…towards me. He was threatening to shoot me and shoot himself etc etc over about a 2 day period. Um. No. See ya later, pal. Of course, Nutjob was also on a bender at the time, and I had a hard time blaming the Zoloft entirely, but he stopped it and returned to his baseline loser-a**hole-manipulative drunk.

  4. Katherine Says:

    Hmmm… are those dudes scientologists, by any chance…???
    Just wondering.
    Because my “Tom Cruise vitamins” + therapy allow me to function, which I never could do before. And thanks to a certain wonder drug, my stutter of 20+ years has been zapped… which speech therapy never could do.
    So while I do resent the pharma industry + insurance industry (high co-pays, endless hassles, stupid patents), I also have to thank them for saving my life.
    Just saying.
    Gotta be fair and balanced, ya know. ;-)


    I don’t really resent Big Pharma and I agree that there are a lot of drugs out there that have saved the lives of countless people.
    What I do resent is putting profits “uber alles.” Could you have achieved your same functionality and clear speech using sugar pills or snake oil? According to the studies out there, the answer is probably “yes.” In addition, I am unable to find any drugs that are “FDA approved” to treat stuttering. Off-label use of medications opens up another whole discussion of safety vs. efficacy.
    None of this is intended to be talking down to you. My point is that if we are going to enforce rules, we need to do so uniformly. If one class of drugs is taken off the market due to safety vs. efficacy concerns, then ALL drugs with similar safety vs. efficacy profiles should be removed from the market.
    It just seems too convenient to me that doctors are prohibited from/scared out of prescribing so many effective generic drugs due to “side effects” or “poor efficacy” while drugs that are still on patent and that have similar side effect profiles and efficacy have no limitations.
    Why the discrepancy?

  5. C. Says:

    Love the mood meds. If it is a placebo or the real thing I can get out of bed and have a very productive life, oh and I am happy too. Who woulda thunk it!?

  6. anonymous Says:

    Let’s talk about the placebo effect. Now that everyone knows that over-the-counter cold medicines technically “don’t work,” who’ going to still buy them now?

    I know that OTC cold meds - especially those Dimetapp cold strips - reduced cold symptoms in my kids. So “placebo” or not, if it makes my kids better, or even if it gives me the perception that my kids are feeling better, I want to be able to use it.
    The FDA is saying “minimal help, possible harm = off the market.” But it is only doing so with certain medications - all of which have been on the market for many years. Cold meds are gone, but antidepressants which are now in the same “minimal help, possible harm” category are going strong. Why the discrepancy?

  7. yourfootgirl Says:

    Didn’t that research just come out? The FDA isn’t just going to jump on the bandwagon without further research and considerations. If they did I would be very concerned about the country we live in.

    Actually, when I looked into it a little further before putting up the post, the data has been around for years, but no one seemed to pay much attention to it. Here’s an article making similar comparisons between antidepressants and placebos in Psychiatric Times from 2002. Ditto with a March 2003 article from the Harvard Mental Health Letter.
    I think the recent study hit the mainstream because it uncovered data that the pharmaceutical companies had tried to keep hidden and which adversely affected the pharmaceutical companies’ claims of drug efficacy.

  8. krissnp Says:

    well reported.

  9. Becky Says:

    Hmmmm I take Paxil, have been for years. I don’t plan on stopping. I tried before with not very good results.

    Do I listen to the FDA? Nope.

    The side effects when stopping antidepressants was the basis for one of the lawsuits against Glaxo SmithKline. You start taking the medication, and even if there is no improvement in your symptoms, you can’t come off the medication due to the side effects from withdrawal.

  10. misspudding Says:

    My grandmother was prescribed Paxil for “anxiety” while also being prescribed a bunch of other drugs for some minor heart problems. Her arteries were completely clear, just a weak heart. Her faculties were better than most people my age. She was amazing, lived by herself, very happily in Chicago.

    Shortly after starting the Paxil, her demeanor changed significantly. She decided to stop taking all of her drugs, which wasn’t a great idea since some of them were actually important, and the withdrawal was so intense, she stopped eating entirely and withdrew. She died about two weeks later. She was up until a couple of months previous, a VERY healthy 86 year old. All of the women on her side of the family lived to 100+.

  11. SeaSpray Says:

    All very interesting.

    Speaking of placebos…I got my MonAvie. :)

  12. Surfie Says:

    Perhaps someone can clear this up for me. If a medication (i.e. Paxil) must be weaned and causes withdrawal, isn’t it exactly the same as say, oh..I don’t know, alcohol, benzodiazepines, or opiates?

    It seems odd that a physician would prescribe daily Paxil without a second thought, but balks at prescribing p.r.n. Xanax.

    Thoughts?

  13. T Says:

    Surfie, that’s the difference between dependence and addiction. Paxil may cause physical dependence (ie, causes withdrawal symptoms), but it does not cause addiction. No one craves Paxil, steals it, lies to get it, or uses it recreationally. Whereas for Xanax, or opiates, that stuff happens all the time.

  14. steve hayes Says:

    All of us have different DNA and different metabolisms. Some herbs and vitamins work better than others. The first thing that is needed is proper nutrition and a good physical exam. As the director of Novus Medical Detox, I often see patients who are on alcohol or opioids, central nervous system depressants, also taking antidepressants. When they detox they find they don’t need the antidepressants.

    This is good news because a Swedish study showed that 52% of the 2006 suicides by women on antidepressants. Since antidepressants work no better than placebos and are less effective than exercise in dealing with depression.

    There is a prescription drug epidemic and these are leaders in the list of terribe abuses.

    Steve Hayes
    http://novusdetox.com

  15. ahhh Neuroscience « Undergrad Mind Says:

    [...] news to keep you well-rounded : WhiteCoat Rants had an amazing forensics post and another on antidepressants and cold meds, Bayblab continues to explain How Quackery “Works”, you can’t placebo the placebo [...]

Leave a Reply

XHTML: You can use these tags: <a href="" title=""> <abbr title=""> <acronym title=""> <b> <blockquote cite=""> <cite> <code> <del datetime=""> <em> <i> <q cite=""> <strike> <strong>