WhiteCoat Rants

Random thoughts about US Healthcare

I’LL Give You A Comment

Posted by WhiteCoat on June 12, 2008

Was reading through several of the journals that have piled up on my desk over the past couple of week. One short article that caught my eye in ACEP News (page 13) was the latest “standard” the Joint Commission (aka the “Medical Marijuana Advocates“) is exploring.

Because “nearly one-third of all persons using hospital emergency services use alcohol in hazardous or unhealthy ways,” the Medical Marijuana Advocates are now suggesting that we should begin screening and counseling every patient in the ED for alcohol use/abuse.

In other words …

While we’re seeing more patients with less ED facilities
While we’re providing more complex care with less availability of specialists
While our emergency departments are overcrowded with patients and we have little if any reserve for emergencies
While the 2006 IOM Report says that the root cause of many of these problems is underfunding

and …

While intoxicated trauma patients come in with no blood pressure and their guts hanging out of the side of their chest …
-or-
While intoxicated patients do not cooperate with your attempts to try to stabilize them, blurting out slurred strings of obscenities while spitting at you, threatening to sue you, and getting various forms of dirt and assorted excrement all over your clothes …

-and-

While we are already forced to screen ED patients for domestic violence, TB, depression, drug interactions and who knows what else in addition to the patient’s chief complaint of “belly button lint won’t come out” …

-NOW-

We’re supposed to take a “brief” 15 minute intervention to determine whether each and every patient drinks and to provide counseling to those that do drink to make sure that they drink responsibly and that no one is abusing alcohol.

Great idea.

I can see it now.

OK, Mrs. Peel, I know that your life is hanging on the line and that every minute counts, but while I’m intubating you, putting in a chest tube, setting your broken femur, trying to figure out why your blood pressure is 83/palp, discussing your case with five different consultants, and begging them to come in to help me …. umm … do you think that your drinking may be contributing to an overall decline in your health? How’s that working for ya?

So, oh Purveyors of Medical Marijuana … what’s next?
Mandatory colonoscopies in the ED to screen for polyps?
How about mandatory dental services so we can randomly use a pair of ViseGrips to pull any teeth we deem rotten?
Maybe we should also have a mandatory home checks on all of the patients that come to the ED. After work, the ED staff can split up and go to all of the homes of patients to make sure that there is no dirt on the floor and that there is no risk for a fall (wouldn’t want a “never event” happening at home, now would we?).

Joint Commission “standards” are part of the problem and not part of the solution. When you frustrate the remaining medical providers to the point that they want to leave medicine and you discourage young doctors from going into medicine, you create danger, not avert it.

But alcohol screening does save lives. So …

I propose that the Joint Commission contact every household in the US by telephone to do the alcohol screening itself. Don’t forget to document whom you talked to, their age, exactly what you said, and the follow up care that you arranged for them. Then E-mail it to me once you’re done so I can cite you for not doing it right.

The Joint Commission has set up a web site where interested parties can leave comments here.

Go for it.

15 Responses to “I’LL Give You A Comment”

  1. anonymous pharmacist said

    Ahhh…now this is you again! A good rant as I’ve ever read & on JCAHO of all things – an excellent topic.

    See – better living through chemistry! I can see you’re feeling better.

    I’ll refrain from commenting on JACHOs opinion site since I’d use language far too foul. This question will probably be dumped on some poor intake nurse or heaven forbid the pharmacist who now has to be there – I commented on that one & I still find myself getting stuck working the ER with paper-shuffling (or computer shuffling).

    Glad to see you’re feeling better.

  2. Nyuk Nyuk said

    OMG :) ))
    you haven’t lost your touch…..
    am practically INTOXICATED w/ your continued dry,witty insightful writings.
    Keep up the GREAT job, but PLEASE don’t give THEM any ideas….the E/R staff can hardly wade thru the….fermenting pile of s!#* now to get out the door !!!! ;)

  3. Nurse K said

    NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

    I can’t even counsel the drunks to pee *IN* the urinal half the time.

    When they wake up in detox in the morning in a pile of their own diarrhea, I consider that some good anti-alcohol counseling.

  4. Angela said

    hmmm, the self-reporting of an alcoholic sounds like a great way to get data.

  5. b said

    When will we let Darwins theory evolve ?

    1: You can not ration with a drunk or an alcoholic / drug abuser.
    2: Wow a new CPT code you will not collect on.

    JCAHO is out to save the world, one bureaucratic nonsense policy at a time.

    One of TJC’s selling points of this new policy is that hospitals could bill for the counseling. Doesn’t mean hospitals will get *paid* for the counseling, but you can sure try to bill for it.

  6. EE said

    Oh WC, *swoons* I love it when you rant like this!

  7. A Dr. Phil quote?

    Along the same lines you could have used a Fight Club quote:

    Tyler Durden: Oh I get it, it’s very clever.
    Narrator: Thank you.
    Tyler Durden: How’s that working out for you?
    Narrator: What?
    Tyler Durden: Being clever.

    Now to share my charm with JCAHO.

    As in take this Joint and shove it. Well, they don’t directly affect me, yet. :-)

  8. CrankyProf said

    I’ll refrain from commenting on JACHOs opinion site since I’d use language far too foul.

    Oh, may I? Pleasepleaseplease….pleeeeeeaaaaaaase?

    Still waiting. Haven’t seen anything about trouts up there yet.

  9. Kula said

    I think they are “the Medical Marijuana Users”, not just advocates. As in WTF are they smoking?

    Just wait till the government is in charge of all our health care.

  10. Platy said

    I’ve actually been seeing people coming to the ER with complaints associated with marihuana intoxication. I never saw that before. Of course, the drunks have a good head start on them.

  11. Those in favor of this seem to be people who are addicts, are family of addicts, or make money off of addicts (but not the liquor stores). Only about a dozen of the comments (out of almost 200) were opposed to this. Many of them were just opposed to a small part of it – like financing.

    I think I need to go watch some “end of the world due to the stupidity of man” type movie to cheer myself up.

    If only stupid people couldn’t figure out how to reproduce, things would be so much better.

  12. crankyprof said

    I’d donate towards the entire JCAHO administration receiving habanero and poison ivy enemas, administered with a nozzle fashioned from a rusty razor blade and barbed wire.

    Boy did I miss you while I was gone! :-)

  13. mottsapplesauce said

    When is JCAHO going to hire staff with actual clinical experience? I think if they’d had any, they wouldn’t be making these demands.

  14. jeffsher63 said

    These joint commmission initiatives are just getting completely out of hand. In our clinic, we have several questions we have to ask when “rooming” a patient (”are you at risk for a fall”? Is it really necessary to ask this of the parent of the 15 month old who just started walking 4 months ago, or to the parent of the newborn?).

    Many of the things that we do ask are probably asked by the doc when he/she does the routine physical, yet it’s expected that we ask these EACH time the child is in for a visit; as you can imagine, we have a lot of frequent flyers whose parents bring them in at the first sign of a sniffle…

  15. Spook, RN said

    What’s this?!!

    A good rant marred by the fact that each time you referred to JCAHO, you addressed them as “The Joint Commission”!!

    Et tu, Dr. WhiteCoat??!! :-(

    cheers,
    Spook ;)

    They changed their name! I prefer to call them the Medical Marijuana Advocates, but search engines and some people who don’t get my sense of humor might not know what I’m talking about.

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